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Reggie Dunlop's avatar

I am a skeptical contrarian by nature, and I am agnostic but I agree w everything you said both here and on Richard Hanania's MAID/euthanasia substack comment section. I know that if we sat down and discussed long enough we'd find thigs we strongly disagree on ...... and ..... that's not only OK , that's critical.

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James Gomes's avatar

If the moment that a human life starts was a scientific or philosophical fact, there would be no debate. It is a value judgement.

I agree with a lot of your points.

The use of fetus is not as emotionally charged as you assume. Fetus gives specific information. Fetus specifies that the organism is inside its mother. The term "unborn child " implies that the word "child" is an organism outside a mother (edited for clarity).

I want to make a more formal response with philosophical arguments. But until then here is a few quick responses.

I think if you're trying to change people's minds, you should consider revising your tone and expanding your rebuttals. I think you're correct to assume many people haven't critically considered this issue and debate. But I'm very skeptical your argument will help any anti-lifers change their minds and or be open to re-evaluating their position.

You didn't address my main argument and reason for being anti life. You're going to hate this idea too. I have a more utilitarian approach. I think an abortion produces less suffering. For first trimester abortions, there isn't scientific evidence that the fetus feels pain (most studies I saw reported early to mid 20 weeks). The mother bears almost all the suffering from the loss of life. Even at a societal level, there is less suffering. Unwanted children are extremely tragic. If we look at progress over time, is there any evidence that legalizing abortions is correlated with crime, violence, or some other measurable aspect of society?

If could prove to take better care of its citizens, I'd alter my opinions. Set up a system where every child given a loving environment and education, and I'll join you.

That's my snap response. I'll share a more thoughtful response if and when I produce it.

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