> Now comes the next likely objection: “Well are we just supposed to do nothing? You’re demoralizing! Stop blackpilling!” This brings me to my second angle of frustration with the stolen election narrative. Conservatives seem to be rather schizophrenic about this—they get very puffed up and animated when they’re talking about it, then when the conversation is over, they immediately go back to acting like it never happened. What’s the main thing people are focused on doing right now, in order to rectify the “stolen” 2020 election?
Almost as if there are different factions within the conservative movement and they take different actions.
The reason you stopped hearing about the steal soon after 2020 is because anyone who did got deplatformed from all social media. Now in 2024 Elon Musk has been openly retweeting people talking about it, we'll see if his support is enough.
> I’m not, I’m moving to an area that is sparsely populated and supermajority white and waiting it out, that’s what I’m doing. Based on sentiments I see about what to do if the shit hits the fan, I think most people feel the same as me. I see a lot of talk about prepping, avoiding cities, forming close-knit defensible communities, etc.,
And then you'll get a bunch or migrants dumped on you. When you try to do something about this, you'll get declared a terrorist anyway.
"anyone who did got deplatformed from all social media." D'Souza made a whole movie about it, he was never banned from any social media platform. In fact, they released his movie. In theaters. Even Ann Coulter thought it was stupid.
"Elon Musk has been openly retweeting people talking about it, we'll see if his support is enough."
If Musk actually supported it, well, he's the richest man in the world. He could have spent much less than what he bought Twitter for to build his own ballot counting software.
He never did this, which is evidence that he doesn't actually think that fraud played a result in the 2020 election.
The limiting factor is getting your balloting software used by the majority of the country, or at least the swing states. You think that Elon circa 2021 couldn't have done this? Maybe he can't do it now, after he burned his non-partisan capability.
But as you said, it's not the limiting factor. You could have done this. I could have done this.
But you never did. You didn't even try. Why?
Because you don't actually think that fraud played a result in the 2020 election.
> You think that Elon circa 2021 couldn't have done this?
Why would he be able to? If in 2021 Elon announced his next venture was into electronic voting machines, you thing all the swing states would just line up to switch to using them?
Well, don't let me stop you from making a fool of yourself.
Yeah. Musk was popular cross-partisan, then. Screw it, make it free, if that's what you have to do. Make it open-source. Elon likes open-source.
If I thought that voting was rigged and the electronic voting machines were to blame, and I had billions of dollars, that's what I would do. And I am a fool retard who came up with that solution in approximately 1 minute, spending some extra time to urinate and scold my dog.
You think all the swing states would continue to pay for voting tabulation if they had a much cheaper alternative from the world's richest man?
Trump acted exactly as he should have in 2020 when the election was stolen from him. He tried to contest the result in the courts and he did accept the fallacious result in that he moved out of the White House. There is evidence aplenty of fraud against Republicans in 2020 in many different ways and if you refuse to see that, you are wilfully blind. That said, you can vote or not vote for whomsoever you wish and using the weird excuse about trump’s behaviour in 2020 is bizarre. Look at the trail of destruction left by the current administration, do you want more of that?
If the election is stolen and these people are our avowed enemies why would they ever allow a peaceful solution or transfer of power? Your mistake is despite your acknowledgement that politics is a cynical game, of lying and underhandedness, what difference is it going to make if we just "advocate for x and y tenets" (all of which we already did, but you sat out of politics anyway) If it's true the system isn't legitimate the options are to fight or to let it step all over us. At best we can keep our heads down while waiting for some opportunity, as the walls continue to tighten around us. Do you realize how ridiculous your proposition sounds?
Fighting to me means dropping the game of politics and war prepping. Most people don't want war and are scared of it. Of course it's a last-resort option, but war would be better than tyranny. I can't claim to be the most prepared, or even dispassionate on the matter, but war and outright death is preferable to current and worsening political situation, assuming it does not get any better and war live under this gay smothering regulatory regime for the rest of our lives.
I addressed this in the post I believe. If "war prepping" means setting up in an area of like-minded people and being ready to defend yourselves, okay, yes everyone should do that. If it means some kind of march on Washington to seize control of the federal government or other aggressive use of violence, well, I won't be joining you for that, nor can I endorse it.
I understand. I don't believe the isolationist localism will work as long as the enemy controls the state to wield against us, but I do get it, and share the sympathy.
Let me be clear: If they fire the first shot, then in the ensuing conflict, there's no telling what might be on the table. But they must be the ones who fire the first shot. It is important that there be no ambiguity in who is the aggressor.
I suppose. In a post-truth world the waters are muddier than ever though. Even with years of propaganda, the catastrophic loss of legitimact for the standing regime has weakened its grasp on people's minds a deal. I do think it'll be some time longer before the winds are right for any form of revolt to be popular though.
I do hope to condemn the memory of the current regime and it's abominations to never see the light of day again though. I don't earnestly hate anything more than the unacceptable way things are now.
" I am inherently distrustful of an election result that isn’t determined until weeks after the actual election day."
This is, of course, the reason why people are pushing for hand-counting paper ballots. Any rational person knows that computers are far more accurate than senior citizens volunteering to count millions of votes. They're suggesting that the senior citizens count the votes because it takes a long time, and they want the elections to take longer.
If I was concerned that our election system is fraudulent, I would be building a computerized tabulation and vote-counting system that I knew was safe, secure, and effective, and market it as such. I am not aware of anyone having done this in the past four years, so this makes me believe that no rational person actually believes, really believes, that the 2020 election was done in by fraudulent voting systems.
> This is, of course, the reason why people are pushing for hand-counting paper ballots. Any rational person knows that computers are far more accurate than senior citizens volunteering to count millions of votes.
Somehow every other developed country on the planet and even most undeveloped ones can count the votes on election day. Heck, in the days before computers, we used to be able to count the votes by the next morning.
Canada's election day was 10/19. We still don't know the results of every election. They're saying we should have the finished count by tonight. In most counties.
That's ten days. Is Canada not a developed country? I mean, I've never thought so, but I'm a simple bigot. You just appear to be simple.
I mean, in my county's 2022 election we had 896k voters, polls close at 8 pm. That's 224,000 votes per hour. Seems like a lot, but with 1200 counters, that's a reasonable 140 votes per hour. 1 ballot every 25 seconds or so, working nonstop.
So, to count the votes on election night, we'd need 1,200 people, all quick of mind. Instead, we had about 85 people, almost all senior citizens.
Hm. Maybe try running the math yourself. Maybe if we whip the seniors, they'd work faster.
For the record, as a vaguely left-of-centre person (who might as well be a communist as far the readers here are concerned) I *do* think it's a bad thing that Roe v Wade and Obergefell were issues determined in a court rather than a voting booth. Indeed, with Roe v Wade having been revoked, we're now seeing Republicans for the first time having to deal with the reality of maximalist abortion restriction. And it's hurting the party at the polls, and they're clearly beginning to backpedal on the issue.
Ultimately, to get people to change their minds, you first have to get them to see the consequences of the thing they voted for. Only once that has happened can society move forward.
I’m with you on this. Our energy is better spent elsewhere. My sense of the 2020 election though is that it’s unique enough not to have a lot of application in 2024 because of all the COVID era election rules.
> Now comes the next likely objection: “Well are we just supposed to do nothing? You’re demoralizing! Stop blackpilling!” This brings me to my second angle of frustration with the stolen election narrative. Conservatives seem to be rather schizophrenic about this—they get very puffed up and animated when they’re talking about it, then when the conversation is over, they immediately go back to acting like it never happened. What’s the main thing people are focused on doing right now, in order to rectify the “stolen” 2020 election?
Almost as if there are different factions within the conservative movement and they take different actions.
The reason you stopped hearing about the steal soon after 2020 is because anyone who did got deplatformed from all social media. Now in 2024 Elon Musk has been openly retweeting people talking about it, we'll see if his support is enough.
> I’m not, I’m moving to an area that is sparsely populated and supermajority white and waiting it out, that’s what I’m doing. Based on sentiments I see about what to do if the shit hits the fan, I think most people feel the same as me. I see a lot of talk about prepping, avoiding cities, forming close-knit defensible communities, etc.,
And then you'll get a bunch or migrants dumped on you. When you try to do something about this, you'll get declared a terrorist anyway.
"anyone who did got deplatformed from all social media." D'Souza made a whole movie about it, he was never banned from any social media platform. In fact, they released his movie. In theaters. Even Ann Coulter thought it was stupid.
"Elon Musk has been openly retweeting people talking about it, we'll see if his support is enough."
If Musk actually supported it, well, he's the richest man in the world. He could have spent much less than what he bought Twitter for to build his own ballot counting software.
He never did this, which is evidence that he doesn't actually think that fraud played a result in the 2020 election.
> He could have spent much less than what he bought Twitter for to build his own ballot counting software.
Building ballot counting software isn't hard. It's definitely not the limiting factor in any way shape or form. Seriously, are you retarded?
*Checks notes*
Well, that answers that question.
So was D'Souza banned, tard?
The limiting factor is getting your balloting software used by the majority of the country, or at least the swing states. You think that Elon circa 2021 couldn't have done this? Maybe he can't do it now, after he burned his non-partisan capability.
But as you said, it's not the limiting factor. You could have done this. I could have done this.
But you never did. You didn't even try. Why?
Because you don't actually think that fraud played a result in the 2020 election.
> You think that Elon circa 2021 couldn't have done this?
Why would he be able to? If in 2021 Elon announced his next venture was into electronic voting machines, you thing all the swing states would just line up to switch to using them?
Well, don't let me stop you from making a fool of yourself.
Yeah. Musk was popular cross-partisan, then. Screw it, make it free, if that's what you have to do. Make it open-source. Elon likes open-source.
If I thought that voting was rigged and the electronic voting machines were to blame, and I had billions of dollars, that's what I would do. And I am a fool retard who came up with that solution in approximately 1 minute, spending some extra time to urinate and scold my dog.
You think all the swing states would continue to pay for voting tabulation if they had a much cheaper alternative from the world's richest man?
Look, you've already amply demonstrated your idiocy, there's no need to continue demonstrating it.
Trump acted exactly as he should have in 2020 when the election was stolen from him. He tried to contest the result in the courts and he did accept the fallacious result in that he moved out of the White House. There is evidence aplenty of fraud against Republicans in 2020 in many different ways and if you refuse to see that, you are wilfully blind. That said, you can vote or not vote for whomsoever you wish and using the weird excuse about trump’s behaviour in 2020 is bizarre. Look at the trail of destruction left by the current administration, do you want more of that?
"There is evidence aplenty of fraud against Republicans in 2020 in many different ways"
Please share it.
If the election is stolen and these people are our avowed enemies why would they ever allow a peaceful solution or transfer of power? Your mistake is despite your acknowledgement that politics is a cynical game, of lying and underhandedness, what difference is it going to make if we just "advocate for x and y tenets" (all of which we already did, but you sat out of politics anyway) If it's true the system isn't legitimate the options are to fight or to let it step all over us. At best we can keep our heads down while waiting for some opportunity, as the walls continue to tighten around us. Do you realize how ridiculous your proposition sounds?
All depends on what you mean by "fight." If you want to go into specifics about what that means to you, then I can consider and respond from there.
Fighting to me means dropping the game of politics and war prepping. Most people don't want war and are scared of it. Of course it's a last-resort option, but war would be better than tyranny. I can't claim to be the most prepared, or even dispassionate on the matter, but war and outright death is preferable to current and worsening political situation, assuming it does not get any better and war live under this gay smothering regulatory regime for the rest of our lives.
I addressed this in the post I believe. If "war prepping" means setting up in an area of like-minded people and being ready to defend yourselves, okay, yes everyone should do that. If it means some kind of march on Washington to seize control of the federal government or other aggressive use of violence, well, I won't be joining you for that, nor can I endorse it.
I understand. I don't believe the isolationist localism will work as long as the enemy controls the state to wield against us, but I do get it, and share the sympathy.
Let me be clear: If they fire the first shot, then in the ensuing conflict, there's no telling what might be on the table. But they must be the ones who fire the first shot. It is important that there be no ambiguity in who is the aggressor.
Would you say Wako was them "firing the first shot"? Would you say the BLM burning cities was them "firing the first shot"?
You're just going ignore all their shots until they fire one at you, at which point your plight be ignored by anyone who's left.
The problem with isolationist localism is that the enemy will then take out the locations one at a time.
And we* live
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I suppose. In a post-truth world the waters are muddier than ever though. Even with years of propaganda, the catastrophic loss of legitimact for the standing regime has weakened its grasp on people's minds a deal. I do think it'll be some time longer before the winds are right for any form of revolt to be popular though.
I do hope to condemn the memory of the current regime and it's abominations to never see the light of day again though. I don't earnestly hate anything more than the unacceptable way things are now.
" I am inherently distrustful of an election result that isn’t determined until weeks after the actual election day."
This is, of course, the reason why people are pushing for hand-counting paper ballots. Any rational person knows that computers are far more accurate than senior citizens volunteering to count millions of votes. They're suggesting that the senior citizens count the votes because it takes a long time, and they want the elections to take longer.
If I was concerned that our election system is fraudulent, I would be building a computerized tabulation and vote-counting system that I knew was safe, secure, and effective, and market it as such. I am not aware of anyone having done this in the past four years, so this makes me believe that no rational person actually believes, really believes, that the 2020 election was done in by fraudulent voting systems.
> This is, of course, the reason why people are pushing for hand-counting paper ballots. Any rational person knows that computers are far more accurate than senior citizens volunteering to count millions of votes.
Somehow every other developed country on the planet and even most undeveloped ones can count the votes on election day. Heck, in the days before computers, we used to be able to count the votes by the next morning.
Canada's election day was 10/19. We still don't know the results of every election. They're saying we should have the finished count by tonight. In most counties.
That's ten days. Is Canada not a developed country? I mean, I've never thought so, but I'm a simple bigot. You just appear to be simple.
I mean, in my county's 2022 election we had 896k voters, polls close at 8 pm. That's 224,000 votes per hour. Seems like a lot, but with 1200 counters, that's a reasonable 140 votes per hour. 1 ballot every 25 seconds or so, working nonstop.
So, to count the votes on election night, we'd need 1,200 people, all quick of mind. Instead, we had about 85 people, almost all senior citizens.
Hm. Maybe try running the math yourself. Maybe if we whip the seniors, they'd work faster.
For the record, as a vaguely left-of-centre person (who might as well be a communist as far the readers here are concerned) I *do* think it's a bad thing that Roe v Wade and Obergefell were issues determined in a court rather than a voting booth. Indeed, with Roe v Wade having been revoked, we're now seeing Republicans for the first time having to deal with the reality of maximalist abortion restriction. And it's hurting the party at the polls, and they're clearly beginning to backpedal on the issue.
Ultimately, to get people to change their minds, you first have to get them to see the consequences of the thing they voted for. Only once that has happened can society move forward.
>I suggested free pre-K. I suggested Medicare for children. Nobody cared.<
There are no pro-abortion people who would suddenly become pro-life if you offer them free stuff for kids.
I’m with you on this. Our energy is better spent elsewhere. My sense of the 2020 election though is that it’s unique enough not to have a lot of application in 2024 because of all the COVID era election rules.